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thank goodness it's Friday hero is

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coming at you in three two I feel like

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hello everybody this is Ryan the

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original outlaw of the airwaves

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broadcasting from a bunker in

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shapeshifter territory we'll do our best

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to bring you what's going on and the

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guest today well Wow none other than

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author lecturer and investigator of

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ancient civilizations past catastrophes

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and the paranormal James Keenan and I

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hope to also discuss his new book which

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is available on Amazon I believe today I

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purchased an e-book copy

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I believe the hardcover copy is coming

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soon I'll probably get both because it's

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pretty awesome I will definitely give it

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to my kids and we'll try to touch base

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on that but he is very passionate and I

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just love talking with him about

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everything going on and the belief

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systems around the cultures that tend to

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congregate in these areas of high

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strangeness if you haven't checked out

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hero paranormal dot-com please do also

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you can download quickly and easily at

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hero paranormal pod being calm and

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without further ado mr. James Keenan

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words don't describe the passion mr.

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Keenan has for the scientific aspects

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surrounding the high strangeness

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encountered in northeastern Utah and

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shapeshifter territory that you win a

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basin and it comes as no surprise

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to season listeners and patrons and

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other aficionados that mr. Kenan decided

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to incorporate Roosevelt Utah in the UN

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a basin of North Eastern Utah as the

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setting for well his new phenomenal book

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in his series the UFO and an alien

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series James Keenan welcome to hero so

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I've got to ask a question because your

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passion is hard to ignore you are very

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interested in the hard facts and the

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science around the high strangeness and

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phenomena encountered in this area of

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the state what led you down this path

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and kind of got you interested well in

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the world and few and far between where

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there seems to be and I'm gonna call

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activity or phenomena that takes place

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highly unusual unable to be documented

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most of the time difficult to categorize

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there's always a crossover between what

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people would consider paranormal and

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supernatural versus scientific study

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meaning that like for somebody like me

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that has a background heavily on

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archaeology and anthropology it gives me

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the opportunity not just follow the

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science but also to follow you know an

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atypical type of science or a fringe

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type that goes more into the

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anthropological study of things like

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folklore and the myth so northeastern

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Utah do you win top bass and is really

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one of four or five places in the world

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where you have just this crossover of us

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ology cryptozoology paranormal activity

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possibilities even of ancient lost

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civilization or cultures having

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listed in the area and then also you

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know the possibilities of scientific

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issues like maybe a meteor strike at a

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larger level that affected you know that

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part of the Colorado Plateau so it's

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just a pleasure to have that opportunity

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to be able to study all the phenomena

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and the science at one time in a

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location such as the UN top base and

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space wolf Research Center in the

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skinwalker ranch area I I couldn't agree

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more with you about like the

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Anthropology the culture behind it and

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you know you mentioned there were four

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or five areas that do this kind of thing

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I know I don't want to jump to

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conclusions but I would expect one to be

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in Arizona if not two what areas are you

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know those four or five if you had you

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don't have to mention them if you don't

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want to because I know how some of these

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magical areas are but what what areas

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are what states are these usually and do

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you find these in whenever you talk

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about something like that most people

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jump to the state that I live in which

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is Arizona which is absolutely true you

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have this high unusual amount of energy

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and you know people throw out that

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electromagnetic energy but who knows

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really what it is that it's in the

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Sedona area and Bradshaw Mountains area

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you have a lot of sightings of unusual

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activity that feels with cryptozoology

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and then my probably my biggest or most

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important thing that I like to track or

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follow up on is portals and in the sense

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you know what those could be there we

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could spend hours talking about it but

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Sedona is obviously one of those areas

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just like Fort Dushane Roosevelt might

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an area in northeastern Utah you also

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have several locations in Mexico she

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on Mexico which is just south of zero

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once in a hoe which is just incredible

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very few people know about it it's on

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the west coast they're just now

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unearthing a city that's ten square

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miles and size does not affect only 1% a

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single pyramid has been unearthed and

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it's being excavated then you have

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another area location which is the

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northern United Kingdom in the Scotland

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there yet there are several areas there

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but for me you know the opportunity to

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be able to continuously go back and

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investigate research both from a I guess

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a pseudo archaeological standpoint and a

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scientific standpoint the easiest for me

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or nephews in Utah and here in the

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Arizona area and Arizona is so magical

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that Bradshaw ranch Sedona area it's a

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magical area it's I describe the energy

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is different but equal in potency but

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what are your thoughts from like a

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cultural we have similar similar things

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going on in both both states I know as

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human beings we always try to find

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similarities and correlate but there

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could be a lot more to it to that have

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you talked to the local culture there

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and what they believe the history is yes

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you know both in Utah in Arizona you

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have a high indigenous population Native

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American where their culture their

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belief system is completely different

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than what you know we are used to from

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Western Europe you know Western

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civilization they're more open to the

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supernatural and paranormal

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matter-of-fact to them it's not even

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considered that a lot of the time just

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normal belief system so when you talk to

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the Navajo or the ute

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Arizona they're very open to letting you

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know that you know they fully believe

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that there was such things as Giants

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red-headed giants that were cannibals

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that used to roam the southwest they're

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documented in their folklore which is

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there are world traditions and they're

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documented in petroglyphs through Utah

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through Nevada through Arizona even

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through small portion maybe of the

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Chumash Indian area in California and in

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order to get a better understanding of

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what I'm looking for you have to follow

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and you aware that you've done it too

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you have to follow that Native American

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aspect of it because it's embedded and

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really what seems to be happening and

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going on or at least embedded in a

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portion of the phenomena because I don't

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believe all the phenomena is one thing I

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believe they're separate issues taking

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place at one time and whether that draws

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from energy or you know something in the

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ground that we're just not quite aware

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of it allows for all of this to take

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place that one the the interesting thing

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that the belief systems that you

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mentioned are so important because I was

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having the thought today how how

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difficult it's becoming when you're

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searching for those members of

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particular tribes with ancestral

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heritage there and what the volkl

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tradition is and it usually corresponds

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with like you said the petroglyphs thank

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goodness for the McConkey ranch and the

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the fact that they share that with the

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public it's it's very real that that

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redheaded giant issue and following the

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Native American aspect what what did you

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encounter if anything mr. Kenan in

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area absolutely so what we have to first

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remember is that most of the petroglyphs

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that are in and around the Arizona Utah

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area are from cultures and civilizations

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that we've named them only based upon

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sites that they've lived at we're not

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really sure who they are and where they

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you know and you look at the Navajo the

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more recent excuse me there's a Navajo

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over here but there's other Native

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American tribes that are more recent to

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the area that hasn't been here for too

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long you have these cultures like the

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Hohokam here in Arizona where they were

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responsible for a large part of the

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petroglyphs and up in Utah the Fremont

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culture and we're just not quite sure

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who they were where they came from where

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so these written talking to the Native

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Americans that are currently here still

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some of what is meant in the petroglyphs

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or the pictograph isn't quite understood

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by the current indigenous people and you

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know all the time anthropology is a

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social science so a lot of what

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scientists want you to believe it would

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be the you know concrete and it has to

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be real it's not a subjective it's you

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know a subjective feel based upon what

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they they research what most likely

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could be an answer as to what a

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petroglyph wrote pictographs represents

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but when you do speak to the Native

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Americans at least you're getting a

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better understanding because obviously

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those lineages may very well have been

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affected or has crossed at some point

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together so portions of what are still

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on the rock art are under six

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it's just a matter of piecing together

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the rock art as a halt a whole like you

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said at McCarthy ranch it's incredible

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when you traverse the area because it's

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not just in one location as you very

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well know it's all over the place some

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are located 30 50 feet up on a on a

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hillside some of the best is all the way

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up at the top and it's incredible to

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hear what the Native Americans believe

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it is versus that some anthropologists

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archaeologists is going to tell you from

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the University very important in my

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opinion to because these belief systems

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are open to things that our current

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scientific community might be closed off

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to and the Hohokam and the Fremont and

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like I mean there's other cultures like

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in Chaco Canyon there was disappearances

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of cultures there as well

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is this somewhat incorporated with you

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know these lights in the sky and these

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shapeshifters on the ground yeah

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definitely

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what they would call it they call or

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consider star people we're staying with

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consider ancestors or say all their

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ancestors where they come from so yeah

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there is a direct connection according

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to them and like you said and not just

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here in the southwest but in Mexico as

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well that these star people whoever they

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were have a connection in the lineage or

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their ancestry by faithfully and also

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very that we in Western culture with

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paranormal supernatural like you said

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shape-shifting they're not considered

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paranormal supernatural to them is

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considered a part of their daily

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cultural beliefs

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something that you know that made fun of

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like a lot of people do in Western

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culture or especially in the United

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States and you have to consider the fact

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too that these indigenous cultures in

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some way shape or form had a connection

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together whether it's for DNA and

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lineage we're just having traded we're

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now finding that this trade system

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traversed thousands of miles in between

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lips currently the United States and

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Central America and we look at the Maya

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you know in Mexico but you know you got

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to look even further than that we've

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only known about the Olmec for thirty

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thirty-five years before a venom they

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didn't exist now we're starting to come

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across this provel Olmec society that

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out dates the Olmec and I always tell

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people wearing them 5% or less of the

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past of these civilizations everything

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else was still buried under our feet and

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a great example is Sumerian clearly you

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know we don't realize it seems like it's

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not sure that we've known about Sumerian

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the Sumerian culture forever but before

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1850 they didn't exist we didn't know

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anything about them and now it's just

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they really thought that yeah that's

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where we originated from so going

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forward whether we going to uncover and

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are we going to find out or uncover that

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these newer ancient societies and

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cultures and civilizations that more

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than likely were far more advanced and

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possibly might have had a connection

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that's extraterrestrial or

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interdimensional you you know you you

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can mean it and what are we going to

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find here in the near future and load it

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down the line so

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we believe today or think is hogwash you

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know could turn out to be legitimate

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policemen a daily part of science in 50

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years exactly and it kind of correlates

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with that Chaco Canyon stuff that I

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mentioned as well where you know they

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find this place the people are missing

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this culture is gone they have these

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interesting caverns that seemingly have

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information that could be a value and

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sure as heck the whole area is shut down

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by government archaeologists but the

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interesting value is that there was some

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mention of winged I believe it was the

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WingMakers

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inside the caverns and lo and behold

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there was an organization and when this

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government organization called and said

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you know what is this is this you know

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anything about this I said yeah it's

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probably us you know like in a different

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dimension or current incarnation and you

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know these religious aspects could in a

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way be technology that we have

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completely ignored

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I think these belief systems without

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stigma you know like the Native American

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system a connection to the earth and

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these tricksters encountered which are

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here one second and gone the next are

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fairly elemental I would guess in nature

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at least in my opinion or my encounters

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but however brief do you think that this

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Native American culture typically is

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more open and they have a connection

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with the earth and a lot of the things

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that are being encountered which are

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here one second and gone the next these

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tricksters if you will especially on the

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ground are elemental in nature and have

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a connection to the earth as well is

363
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this possibly where the some of the keys

364
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to unlocking this mystery are held in

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your opinion Native Americans an

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understanding that goes in a different

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direction and what Western science

368
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and there's obviously something in play

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you know when we're discussing like

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northeastern Utah and these tricksters

371
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or whatever it is and whoever whatever

372
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they are wherever they come from there's

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a possibility yes absolutely of learning

374
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and finding out maybe through a course

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of scientific data you know collecting

376
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data points and being more open and more

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focused to other possibilities like

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elemental possibilities or

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extraterrestrial and you know remember

380
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too when I'm talkin extraterrestrial it

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doesn't have to be aliens or something

382
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of that nature it could be technology

383
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that's still out there from lost

384
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civilizations or ancient cultures I in

385
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my lectures continuously tell people

386
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that there were civilizations on this

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planet a hundred and thirty thousand

388
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years ago maybe even several hundred

389
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million years ago that had far more

390
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advanced technology than we have were

391
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they human possible were they other

392
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possible as well but there's technology

393
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I mean we're so young at this course we

394
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currently only have an understanding and

395
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historical data going back several

396
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thousand years so what have we lost and

397
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where have those people gone if any of

398
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them survived is an absolute possibility

399
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and then you know you have to get into

400
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what we're not quite aware of yet and

401
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we're only getting little glimmers of

402
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like inner dimension ality you know

403
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through possibility of portal use we saw

404
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recently on a television show that this

405
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aerial phenomenon that's taking place

406
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but for duchesne and might'n has this

407
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ability

408
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to go in and out somewhere other than

409
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our third dimension instantly and it was

410
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captured on our video so in my lectures

411
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that I've been giving since last June i

412
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heavily spoke about the point that there

413
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are certain petroglyphs in dinosaur

414
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national monument that showed this

415
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aerial phenomenon taking place and that

416
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it was transmitting outward out of the

417
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planet and it's there captured by the

418
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indigenous people which are labeled as

419
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Fremont or barrier Canyon and those you

420
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know what they saw is being seen now so

421
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it's just a matter I believe of us

422
00:23:14,829 --> 00:23:12,440
learning more in regards to is what we

423
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are seeing now is it technology is it

424
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artificial intelligent there's an

425
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absolute possibility right we're just

426
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we're just in our infancy of learning

427
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about you know nano technology and other

428
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types of energy that are not

429
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hydrocarbons you know based upon fossil

430
00:23:42,849 --> 00:23:38,619
fuels of that nature so so hopefully

431
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within your lifetime in mind we get to

432
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advanced a little bit more as to the

433
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understanding as to what's taking place

434
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in the southwest of the United State I

435
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am so glad that you brought up the

436
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nanotechnology because one of my most

437
00:24:03,789 --> 00:24:00,109
intriguing sightings I'll just come out

438
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:03,799
and say it was it took place where

439
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something it seemed was coming forming

440
00:24:16,209 --> 00:24:10,759
it's gonna sound crazy but forming out

441
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of this dark particulate or like like a

442
00:24:22,659 --> 00:24:19,519
swarm of nanotechnology or a swarm of

443
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what you would consider nets or a dark

444
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mist and it became

445
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something very real in perception to

446
00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:29,570
myself and another researcher who's also

447
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:33,470
named Orion and you know the interesting

448
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,050
thing is you're you're sitting there

449
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:37,760
wondering okay are we both seeing

450
00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:40,010
something that's not real are we seeing

451
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:42,800
something that is real and you know it

452
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did whatever it did and D materialized

453
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in the same way I think nanotechnology

454
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may be a possible explanation for what

455
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:54,980
we are otherwise considering paranormal

456
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magic or I mean like you said that the

457
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line between ritual magic cultural

458
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inherent connection to the earth and

459
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science and technology can be very

460
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:15,710
blurred and gray things that have been

461
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written in in in books based upon you

462
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:21,350
know

463
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skinwalkers and the UN pot basin think

464
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about that people have shot at these

465
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creatures that suddenly appeared out of

466
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nowhere and they just look at them like

467
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nothing happened well what does that

468
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:36,320
sound like to you and me that sounds

469
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like artificial intelligence artificial

470
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Technology robotics the same system if

471
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you think of shape-shifting from an

472
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engineer's aspect what we're talking

473
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about the ability to cloak we're talking

474
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about maybe the ability to instead of

475
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physically shipped

476
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maybe it's the ability to warp or cause

477
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a change in what others visually see so

478
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like like you said with ritual magic you

479
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know what we considered magic 200 years

480
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we now understand this technology and we

481
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now for us it's just normal basic

482
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science so we're we're going to go in

483
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the future and what we're going to see

484
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in the next 20 30 40 50 years may be

485
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something of a lost advanced culture or

486
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civilization that somebody or something

487
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found I always tell people think about

488
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the priests task in the Maya or in

489
00:27:00,620 --> 00:26:57,120
ancient Egypt maybe they were aware of

490
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or found ancient technology that was

491
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kept within a certain caste group in

492
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order to have power and authority over

493
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the rest of the population so there's

494
00:27:16,999 --> 00:27:14,700
always these possibilities like you said

495
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:17,009
what's paranormal today may just be

496
00:27:23,869 --> 00:27:21,299
science or be no knowledge tomorrow yeah

497
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and you said something very important

498
00:27:29,419 --> 00:27:26,460
mr. Kenan about these glimmers or

499
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:29,429
they're like glimpses which is really

500
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:31,980
these encounters a lot of times or

501
00:27:38,419 --> 00:27:35,129
spectacles that seem to just be almost

502
00:27:41,169 --> 00:27:38,429
like a pure you're peering into another

503
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:41,179
world for just a matter of moments and

504
00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:44,129
you wonder what it is

505
00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:47,820
that makes that possible is that this is

506
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this earth cursed is it magical is it

507
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:56,000
both it could it be I heard a wonderful

508
00:28:02,509 --> 00:27:59,159
recently without giving too much into it

509
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,519
a wonderful idea that this this is all

510
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,399
subterranean as well from another

511
00:28:17,299 --> 00:28:07,440
investigator and there seems to be a lot

512
00:28:19,810 --> 00:28:17,309
more validity going in that direction so

513
00:28:21,999 --> 00:28:19,820
that there's something underground

514
00:28:24,379 --> 00:28:22,009
communicating with something

515
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above-ground especially more than likely

516
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:29,580
above the Mesa that's just south fort do

517
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saying and then whatever is in the air

518
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:37,740
aerial is then transmitting outward it's

519
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:42,360
in the rock art and let's underground or

520
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:44,970
underneath is a good question but think

521
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,120
about the fact that there was a lot of

522
00:28:52,419 --> 00:28:50,340
gilsu night mining that's been going on

523
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:52,429
since around the

524
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1800s in these girls tonight minds

525
00:29:02,539 --> 00:28:57,750
well guess and I didn't have it self ISM

526
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:02,549
this very unique product and it can only

527
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:04,410
be found in several places in the whole

528
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:06,450
world and the best deals tonight is

529
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:08,039
there on the Uintah Basin

530
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but as we were mining and do it creating

531
00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:14,850
all this devastation what did we come

532
00:29:20,779 --> 00:29:18,390
across or come upon and could we have

533
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:20,789
accidentally activated something again

534
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:25,770
they will have woken something there are

535
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:29,880
other ranches in the area north of

536
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,900
skinwalker ranch that look to have what

537
00:29:40,899 --> 00:29:36,720
may very well be ancient mine that

538
00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:40,909
somebody a long time ago was mining and

539
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:45,630
it's incredible to think that maybe we

540
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:48,690
aren't the first technologically

541
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:52,440
advanced civilization here especially in

542
00:30:00,919 --> 00:29:57,360
that area and to find anomalies of this

543
00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:00,929
nature makes you really stop and you

544
00:30:08,659 --> 00:30:04,470
know scratch your head and wonder what's

545
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:08,669
underground and if we're talking about

546
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,200
maybe you know past catastrophic events

547
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:15,840
what could have been in that location

548
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:18,840
you know there was a huge the Utah Lake

549
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:26,390
what you know what was in it what was

550
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:28,470
around it who was around it who was

551
00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:32,610
living there you know so there are many

552
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:36,740
many possibilities and subterranean is

553
00:30:43,159 --> 00:30:40,650
absolutely a possibility and even on a

554
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:43,169
recent television show they came up with

555
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:49,890
GPR anomalies underground that showed

556
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,520
the possibility of something below their

557
00:30:58,700 --> 00:30:55,200
feet and like I said earlier you know

558
00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:58,710
we've only uncovered 5% or less of

559
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:02,100
what's here and that other 95% of stone

560
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:03,480
and these are feet waiting to be

561
00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:04,110
discovered

562
00:31:09,499 --> 00:31:06,419
it would make sense

563
00:31:11,419 --> 00:31:09,509
from a let's think about it like where

564
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,429
would we go if there was a catastrophic

565
00:31:16,129 --> 00:31:13,919
event in our time that is where we would

566
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:16,139
head is underground into bunkers into

567
00:31:22,849 --> 00:31:19,919
caves and tunnel systems and it it it

568
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:22,859
would be possible I don't know why it

569
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:25,980
wouldn't I do think that a lot of the

570
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,090
verbage in these ancient cultures it's

571
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:32,940
hard to ignore it isn't like it could be

572
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:35,700
underground or it might be no it's under

573
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:38,609
there it's under there and I want to

574
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:41,220
bring up your book just so everybody is

575
00:31:45,619 --> 00:31:42,600
sure to get it it's called the

576
00:31:47,899 --> 00:31:45,629
shapeshifter scare the UFO and an alien

577
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,909
series by James Keenan what I liked

578
00:31:52,099 --> 00:31:49,980
about this book is in northeastern Utah

579
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:52,109
which is really cool and it brings up a

580
00:31:56,239 --> 00:31:54,179
lot of the topics we're mentioning but

581
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:56,249
it's aimed at a younger crowd which is

582
00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,399
really tough to do nowadays I know Tom

583
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:01,559
DeLonge is trying I think he kind of

584
00:32:07,999 --> 00:32:04,700
nailed it though in that same way these

585
00:32:10,849 --> 00:32:08,009
elemental aspects you know and this

586
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:10,859
giant lake that you're mentioning a very

587
00:32:17,659 --> 00:32:14,039
strange thing happened recently at a

588
00:32:19,779 --> 00:32:17,669
property I own in this area some

589
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:19,789
lightning struck there was some loss of

590
00:32:25,999 --> 00:32:24,570
material an RV other other things not to

591
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,009
get into that but the interesting thing

592
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,519
is the ground underneath as debris was

593
00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:32,159
being cleared in that you realize that a

594
00:32:37,369 --> 00:32:35,070
lot of it is made up of their shells

595
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:37,379
galore there are arrow heads everywhere

596
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:40,440
shells galore so this this could have

597
00:32:49,879 --> 00:32:46,440
been a very interesting area definitely

598
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:49,889
with you know the children my first book

599
00:32:56,869 --> 00:32:53,279
is UFO and alien went into you ology now

600
00:32:59,060 --> 00:32:56,879
it goes into shape-shifting and Native

601
00:33:01,580 --> 00:32:59,070
American culture and then the third

602
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:01,590
final series will be with cryptozoology

603
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:06,080
and Bigfoot but that was to introduce

604
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:11,100
those ages 9 to 13 into that belief

605
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:13,769
system be it us ology paranormal

606
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:17,279
supernatural and to give them not just

607
00:33:20,729 --> 00:33:18,700
the terminology

608
00:33:25,109 --> 00:33:20,739
the understanding of the possibilities

609
00:33:28,859 --> 00:33:25,119
and to you know open up their

610
00:33:31,889 --> 00:33:28,869
imagination to hopefully discovering

611
00:33:34,499 --> 00:33:31,899
that science and paranormal which is

612
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,509
just what we don't understand yet is

613
00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:36,399
really one in the same at some point

614
00:33:41,609 --> 00:33:39,549
paranormal maybe our science and then to

615
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:41,619
also introduce you know the kids to

616
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:45,100
moral dilemmas and how to overcome them

617
00:33:50,879 --> 00:33:49,330
and then to go to the second part of

618
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:50,889
what you were discussing yeah absolutely

619
00:34:00,239 --> 00:33:55,840
so there was this fire unfortunately and

620
00:34:02,999 --> 00:34:00,249
at the research center you know the

621
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:03,009
whole building was lost and I happen to

622
00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:06,609
be out there five or six weeks earlier

623
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:11,710
and I discovered magnetic differential

624
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:15,730
anomalies feet from where that fire was

625
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:19,839
and we were talking you know we're

626
00:34:24,899 --> 00:34:22,480
talking about these incredible

627
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:24,909
differences in the magnetic field of the

628
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:31,210
earth and I went over 80 data point and

629
00:34:38,569 --> 00:34:34,780
there was only three of these on the

630
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:38,579
Uintah Basin and crazy there in a row

631
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:41,470
one happens to be there at the research

632
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,470
center and it's only a six inch in

633
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:48,000
diameter area and then the other two are

634
00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:51,220
approximately two miles away straight as

635
00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:51,700
an arrow

636
00:35:00,059 --> 00:34:57,160
and then we have this show on one of the

637
00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:00,069
channels recently that say that had this

638
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:03,750
model done by a physicist showing these

639
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:06,190
light anomalies coming up out of the

640
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:09,369
ground of energy well that would match

641
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:11,170
perfectly with what I found with this

642
00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:14,049
proton magnetometer and these magnetic

643
00:35:20,339 --> 00:35:15,940
differences and we're talking about huge

644
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,349
changes in Miller God's reading so you

645
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,000
can ask yourself what the hell is going

646
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:24,880
on what is the cause of this magnetic

647
00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:27,650
difference and it is obviously a magma

648
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:29,600
big difference there could be electrical

649
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:31,460
and then you know together an

650
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:34,690
electromagnetic and and shift and with

651
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:39,650
the lakes having been there and who

652
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:41,420
knows about past cultures and

653
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:44,690
civilization something subterranean

654
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:48,770
underground is a good possibility as to

655
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:52,630
at least what the energy source is or

656
00:36:01,150 --> 00:35:56,300
this unknown phenomena taking place in

657
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,160
and around skinwalker ranch around might

658
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:03,200
and around Roosevelt and around Fort

659
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:07,970
Dechaine and youth reservation you you

660
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:10,640
brought up these in interesting and I

661
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:13,790
believe somewhat important sandstone

662
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:16,850
ridge lines I think they are very

663
00:36:22,510 --> 00:36:19,400
important some of the most amazing

664
00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:22,520
things I've seen are in proximity if not

665
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:25,580
on ridges I mean the things I've seen

666
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:27,830
I've seen to get not go too crazy and

667
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:30,680
wild but I've seen what and I was with

668
00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:32,630
another researcher who's very respected

669
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:35,840
what can only be described as almost

670
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,610
like a screen of green light coming down

671
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:43,280
and I hate to say from the heavens but

672
00:36:48,670 --> 00:36:46,790
there was no point of origin so there

673
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:48,680
was no like you weren't looking at like

674
00:36:52,990 --> 00:36:51,170
a helicopter projecting a hologram onto

675
00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:53,000
the ground with laser beams or you know

676
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:54,740
what I mean you as a human being you

677
00:37:00,580 --> 00:36:57,460
would think that we would be able to

678
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:00,590
distinguish between something like that

679
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:03,230
but it seemed like kind of a Skynet

680
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:06,410
coming down on part of this sandstone

681
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:09,680
and it's a very long Ridgeline spans

682
00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:11,930
miles and miles and miles and miles

683
00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:15,560
the interesting thing from a Native

684
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,380
American aspect is that this is also

685
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:21,200
very fertile ground the water tends to

686
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:25,280
follow this area and do you think the

687
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,130
water today has something to do with it

688
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:30,880
with the water baby phenomenon and other

689
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:38,880
I have not investigated anything having

690
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:42,910
to do with the water now I've done I've

691
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,260
done an extensive deep dive into

692
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:49,210
historical nature and details of the

693
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:52,870
area and I have found some very

694
00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:56,200
interesting phenomena taking place with

695
00:38:00,450 --> 00:37:57,460
the water in and around the area

696
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:00,460
unfortunately because of an MVA that I

697
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:04,420
have I'm unable to go into more detail

698
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:12,570
but there are definitely aspects of

699
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:18,700
certain physical areas in that area that

700
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,310
are doing something and if we're talking

701
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:28,000
about energy you know we got a look at

702
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:30,490
what our good conductors and you're

703
00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:32,710
talking about things like water you're

704
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:34,420
talking about a product Gill tonight

705
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:41,320
which is incredible at moving energy

706
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:46,810
along you're talking about the makeup of

707
00:38:54,990 --> 00:38:50,230
that area is sandstone that is very high

708
00:38:57,660 --> 00:38:55,000
in quartz it's not exact it's about 40

709
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:57,670
to 60 percent quartz so your faith you

710
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:00,900
have to also consider this piezoelectric

711
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:03,640
possibility of energizing an area with

712
00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:06,940
that much port and Gilson ice together

713
00:39:11,970 --> 00:39:09,150
there's hydro coordinate hydrocarbon

714
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:11,980
massive amounts underground as a matter

715
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:15,630
of fact were they working well Jeff

716
00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:19,870
South rest of skinwalker ranch on

717
00:39:27,090 --> 00:39:23,500
another ranchers property so you've got

718
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:27,100
to look at what's under the bear and

719
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,370
then you've got to also look at this

720
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,760
Mesa it seems that the may said that is

721
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:36,160
south of Fort de Shane north of

722
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:41,560
skinwalker ranch has a lot of energy and

723
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:44,230
seems to many times be the focal point

724
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:46,840
of what's going on then you have to

725
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:49,170
consider that you have these huge

726
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:54,450
massive 500,000 plus kilowatt lines go

727
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:00,180
up across that area and those lines

728
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:02,940
aren't always clean so they're

729
00:40:10,099 --> 00:40:06,270
constantly tracking and they're putting

730
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:10,109
more energy out more output into that

731
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:14,099
area so what are we charging like you

732
00:40:17,539 --> 00:40:15,690
said maybe through the water

733
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,549
maybe it's carrying through there we

734
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:20,520
have this highly energized area with a

735
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,599
lot of strange happening and people tell

736
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,000
me they're like come on you're saying

737
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:29,760
that all this was happening until you go

738
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:33,780
there and experience it you just really

739
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:35,339
want to understand you can talk to a lot

740
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,280
of people in the area and they all seem

741
00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:40,140
to have some type of story

742
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:42,990
they may not want to pull it in public

743
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:45,720
but a lot of life to tell me you know

744
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,440
privately what their experiences were

745
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:51,920
and then you get a lot of people that

746
00:40:56,809 --> 00:40:54,750
refuse to tell you or they say no

747
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:56,819
there's nothing going on but then you

748
00:41:02,720 --> 00:40:59,579
dive deeper into their personal history

749
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:02,730
and you find out that it's possible

750
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:05,400
because of what religion they belong to

751
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:08,010
and how strong this religion is in that

752
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:14,790
area that it may be them trying to stick

753
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:19,020
to that religious belief and they don't

754
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,730
want to let people know what has

755
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:22,440
happened or what they've seen take place

756
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:27,089
so there's a lot going on there seems to

757
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:31,920
be a lot of different data points coming

758
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:34,049
together that are helping create the

759
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,780
phenomena and again I always tell people

760
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:39,420
it's not a single phenomena there seems

761
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:42,540
to be multiple things that may very well

762
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:45,000
not have anything to do with one or the

763
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:48,660
other but they're taking place at the

764
00:41:58,579 --> 00:41:55,190
same time because of what is in or below

765
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,589
the ground there or maybe it's a

766
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:01,520
combination of what's available

767
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,910
underground

768
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,460
and above ground I think there is a

769
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:07,920
little bit of both the fact that this

770
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:13,740
huge power line is scarring this magical

771
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:16,920
area in and of itself in in my personal

772
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:19,500
opinion I can't agree enough with you I

773
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:23,010
see I see billions of dollars being

774
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:27,119
spent in Europe on this super collider

775
00:42:33,049 --> 00:42:30,599
and to be honest with you I think we

776
00:42:36,049 --> 00:42:33,059
just have a naturally possibly occurring

777
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,059
one of one shape or another taking place

778
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:38,220
I don't want to call it dark matter but

779
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:42,410
what we're seeing are things that are

780
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:46,140
godly with a small G in your encounters

781
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:48,030
are just like you said magic in the area

782
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:49,500
when you've encountered the area or

783
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:52,470
entered the area what are the feelings

784
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:53,849
you get and what are the thoughts you

785
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:58,440
have about that I try to do a bit of

786
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:01,380
both I like to go in and collect a lot

787
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:04,500
of science hard science data points that

788
00:43:10,339 --> 00:43:07,529
I can present so the technology that I

789
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,349
use or things like a proton magnetometer

790
00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:12,839
ground-penetrating radar long distance

791
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:18,470
sensing radar things of that nature and

792
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:21,569
it's interesting because sometimes a

793
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,119
perfectly good piece of equipment now

794
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:26,460
function and there should be no reason

795
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:28,890
for it it's never malfunctioned before

796
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,710
and I know people hear this time and

797
00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:33,720
time again on television and they're

798
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:36,390
like come on the you know the cameras

799
00:43:42,260 --> 00:43:39,750
are rolling so why is it just that piece

800
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:42,270
of equipment I don't know how to explain

801
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:45,720
it I don't know but is there a

802
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:47,579
possibility like you're saying that

803
00:43:58,700 --> 00:43:51,440
there's some type of intelligence there

804
00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:58,710
that manipulating technology that can

805
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:02,940
understand and maybe even foresee future

806
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:07,049
events or understand or hear what people

807
00:44:12,859 --> 00:44:11,400
are thinking I don't know I mean you got

808
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:12,869
to think that there may be other

809
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:14,910
possibilities if we're talking about a

810
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:16,030
location that

811
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:19,640
interdimensional capability will rise

812
00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:21,560
does that not also include space and

813
00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:24,440
time so maybe we're looking at something

814
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:28,340
that's capable of traversing all time at

815
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:31,610
once so it already knows what is going

816
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:33,950
to happen or what happened or what's

817
00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:37,610
happening at the moment these portals

818
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:39,830
when you talk about a portal what are we

819
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:41,560
discussing and we talking about

820
00:44:49,390 --> 00:44:45,770
something that's capable of taking us

821
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:49,400
from point A to point B based on an area

822
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:50,930
of latitude

823
00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:53,480
that's very capable or is it inner

824
00:44:59,100 --> 00:44:56,990
planetary planetary are we traveling

825
00:45:03,000 --> 00:44:59,110
from one planet to another or is

826
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:03,010
interdimensional or is it concept of

827
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:06,440
changing space and time if you're

828
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:10,100
talking about a ether you know dark

829
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:15,010
matter what is it what are its

830
00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:21,200
capabilities and if there is some other

831
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:25,670
type of being or technology that has the

832
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:32,810
ability to kind of already use the

833
00:45:36,910 --> 00:45:34,670
technology we're just not aware of that

834
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:36,920
there may be it's capable of

835
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:40,160
manipulating matter maybe it already is

836
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:42,920
embedded in this timeline to the point

837
00:45:47,650 --> 00:45:44,450
where it knows what you're going to do

838
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:47,660
or it just wants to mess with you so

839
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:49,430
yeah so the cameras are still rolling

840
00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:51,410
the cameras are able to film a person

841
00:45:56,740 --> 00:45:53,780
but the person can't use a drone that

842
00:46:01,000 --> 00:45:56,750
they're trying to fly or turn on the GPR

843
00:46:02,770 --> 00:46:01,010
and it gets frustrating you know you go

844
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:02,780
out there with fresh batteries or

845
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:04,420
something you just call a charge in it

846
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:06,950
completely dead but then you turn on

847
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:08,450
your cell phone and it's fine

848
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:11,060
but you know two seconds later you want

849
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,700
a videotape something and your your

850
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:15,440
phone starts acting up and starts

851
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:20,000
calling random people so there's many

852
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:22,250
possibilities have I experienced it

853
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:26,510
personally yes experienced my technology

854
00:46:32,359 --> 00:46:29,220
going haywire for no good

855
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:32,369
and I had even experienced to where I'm

856
00:46:36,289 --> 00:46:35,250
standing on a specific data point that

857
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:36,299
I've collected whether there's a

858
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:38,970
magnetic anomaly I walk 10 feet away and

859
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:42,510
my GPS suddenly starts working fine

860
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:45,510
again all the systems come back online I

861
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,160
walk back to that area and you and I

862
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,079
know I flagged these areas there are

863
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,079
flags in the ground to where the

864
00:47:00,049 --> 00:46:56,880
anomalies were located and everything

865
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:00,059
starts acting up again so it's just it's

866
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:01,529
very interesting it's an interesting

867
00:47:07,339 --> 00:47:05,369
area I think it's so neat that I'd water

868
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,349
may be involved in some way shape or

869
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,140
form you find that all the time even

870
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:12,000
back east with the native cultures in

871
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,440
the Susquehanna River Valley of

872
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:15,839
Pennsylvania and other areas where this

873
00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:17,849
magic is explained through these river

874
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,990
valleys and and belief systems but

875
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:23,760
interdimensional poltergeists traveling

876
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:26,520
through wormholes into our reality and

877
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,250
and the culture though does a good job

878
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:32,640
like you mentioned of these open-minded

879
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:36,089
and I'm blessed or cursed that I'm very

880
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:38,010
Omni theistic the way I was I was

881
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,529
brought up so when you witness them it

882
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:42,420
doesn't come as a shocker it doesn't

883
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:45,420
come as a and I think it's interesting

884
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:49,130
the way you've aimed this at kids you're

885
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,529
possibly leaving the seeds for the

886
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:54,660
younger generation to think in a way

887
00:48:01,609 --> 00:47:58,400
that is more open very necessary to the

888
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,619
huge occurrences both scientific and

889
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:04,319
otherwise that we may be facing and I I

890
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:07,410
think that's very noble James where can

891
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,170
listeners and others kind of keep up

892
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:11,760
with what you're doing

893
00:48:20,589 --> 00:48:13,740
what you got going on I'm fascinated by

894
00:48:27,799 --> 00:48:25,309
under James Keenan also under my

895
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:27,809
original book I have dark shadows and

896
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:31,440
catastrophe on Facebook and also it's

897
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:33,210
under dark shadows and catastrophe on

898
00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:36,690
Instagram on Amazon you

899
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:39,990
you can purchase my books and I also

900
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:42,990
have an author page that I update every

901
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,650
now and then and my books can be

902
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:49,920
purchased at amazon.com or at Barnes &

903
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:53,940
Noble and the newest book as a matter of

904
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:56,970
fact just became available today at

905
00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:59,490
Barnes & Noble it became available on

906
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:01,890
eBook on Amazon and it should be ready

907
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:05,670
on paperback tomorrow or Monday via

908
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:09,750
Amazon the faces are scared yeah it's a

909
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:12,990
great book I I nailed the e copy and I

910
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:15,660
will probably nail the hardcover as well

911
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:17,460
because that's just a kind of a hairpin

912
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:19,800
I am I'm weird but great stuff James

913
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:22,290
thank you so much sir and I look forward

914
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:23,490
to talking to you in the future

915
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:25,950
hopefully very soon be blessed and keep

916
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,280
doing what you're doing my man wow what

917
00:49:37,099 --> 00:49:34,200
a guy's such a nice guy and he knows his

918
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:37,109
stuff roll on over to Amazon and pick up

919
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:39,810
a copy of the shapeshifter scare by

920
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:44,010
James Keenan go over to hero paranormal

921
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:45,510
check out what we have going on there

922
00:49:52,099 --> 00:49:50,040
and hero paranormal pod beam comm you

923
00:49:54,859 --> 00:49:52,109
can download us quicker there until next

924
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,869
time keep your eyes to the skies feet on

925
00:50:05,720 --> 00:49:57,060
the ground but don't forget to take a

926
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:19,870
[Music]

927
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:24,620
blast-off last night blast off come